By SexHerald Staff
Made infamous by HBO's Cathouse documentary series, the Moonlite
Bunny Ranch became a household name and with it, its owner rose to a
celebrity status of sorts. Utilizing his newfound fame to
circumnavigate Nevada's no-adult advertising law, Dennis Hof has
traveled far and wide making appearances in various talk shows,
leaving behind an imprint of the brand he has worked so hard to
cultivate.
However, if Dennis Hof is one thing, it�s not a �pimp.� More the
consummate businessman (sometimes showcased in how he breaks up with
a girlfriend), his unmistakable pride is not in the �bunnies� he has
cultured or how he�s constantly surrounded by beautiful women, but
in how he has erected (no pun intended) a legitimate business and
made it that much more palatable for mainstream tastes�almost in the
fashion of Bernard Shaw�s �Pygmalion.�
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SexHerald: Let�s
start with your history with the Bunny Ranch.
Dennis Hof :
It was founded in 1955. In 1972, Nevada legalized
prostitution. Up till then, it was tolerated. In 1992, I bought the
Bunny Ranch and turned it into the most famous place in the world,
by using the right marketing techniques and bringing in the right
girls. I just ran it like a business. I used generally accepted
business and accounting practices rather than the old-school
mentality of how to run a cathouse. When I bought the place, the
mentality in Nevada�and, it still is in a lot of places in
Nevada�was: Get in, get up, get off and get the fuck out of
the house. They called it �trick and travel.�
SH: [laughs]
Hof: That�s how they
treated people. I looked at this and said, �Wait a minute. Just
because we have a spectacular product that everybody wants, where
does that give these brothels the right to be mean to people and not
have proper customer service and quality controls?� I said, �Hold
on; stop that. No, no, we�re not going to do that. We�re going to
treat these people�the customers�with respect; there are no more
tricks. Do not use the word �trick� in my house or you will be
terminated. There are no more �Johns.� These are customers; these
are clients. You aren�t a whore; you are a working girl.� So, it
starts with a level of respect on both parties.
Next thing I did was: �Wait a minute, I don�t like this. You
mean, if the customer has the money the girl has to party with him?�
�Yeah, that�s how it works. And if she doesn�t party with him, then
she pays the house.� And a lot of houses are still like that in
Nevada. I said, �No. In this business, I�m looking for a willing
buyer and a willing seller. I want the girl to be happy. So, she has
the right to say �no.��
SH: That�s a nice
policy.
Hof: Yeah. In
other words, a guy comes in and he�s too short, he�s too tall, too
skinny, too fat, too rich, too poor, too black, too white, too
whatever, and she doesn�t want to be with him. All she has to do is
be nice to him and say, �You know, honey? I�ve got a regular coming
in a little while and it wouldn�t be fair to you if we partied.� Or,
�I think it�d be better if we found another girl.� But, don�t make
the guy feel bad! Don�t say, �You�re too fat� or �You�re too black�
or whatever the girl�s reason is. A girl should not have to sleep
with a guy she doesn�t want to for money; she shouldn�t be forced to
do that. So I said, �You don�t party with anybody you don�t want to.
Be a picky ho, if you want; that�s okay.� It always works out. The
one guy this girl doesn�t want to party with, three other girls DO
want to party with.
Second thing, a lot of customers in here� because their spouses,
wives [are] amateur sex providers; that�s the reason they�re here.
Wives and girlfriends don�t know how to have sex. Until you�ve been
with numerous partners and have done lots of things and expanded,
you�re not good at it! If you and I are going to build a formula one
racecar, we�re not going to New York School of Driving to get
someone who just walked out of school. We�re going to the guy who
won the race last year, aren�t we? It�s the same way sexually. And,
the reason why these guys come here is because girlfriends and wives
won�t do certain things and it may be something very minimal. I�ve
seen guys come in and here and say how �kinky� they were and �I
don�t think I can party here because I�m real kinky.� This was a
lawyer who did this. And come down to it, he wanted to do it doggy
style. Basic things to some people are real kinky to others.
But, everybody has a limit.
So we tell the girls: �Don�t party with anybody you don�t want
to. And, don�t do anything you don�t want to. Whatever your limit
is, well then that�s where it should stay. So just put him off to
somebody else and say, �You know what, honey? I don�t know how to do
anal� or �I do anal in my personal life but not in my work life, but
thank you so much for picking me.�
Last thing I said was, �Don�t do anything for less money
than you think it�s worth. You decide. I don�t put a price on you.
It�s not fair for me as an owner to tell you what you�re going to do
in bed and how much money you�re going to get for it.� These are
some of the initial things in 1992 that turned the Bunny Ranch into
such a success.
SH: What does it take
to be a Bunny Ranch girl?
Hof: You don�t have
to be beautiful to be a working girl because that�s really not what
makes it work. Madam Suzette, who does the hiring, looks for people
skills and personality. So, you show me an 18 year old who I can
take right to Larry Flynt and put her in Hustler or
Penthouse or one of the magazines and I�ll show you a 38
year old who�s got a GREAT personality, two kids and an extra 20
pounds on her butt but she�ll make more money. Because people skills
and personality are more important than looks and body�EVERY time.
That being said, if you got an 18 year old with killer looks and
body and she�s got a good personality, well then you�ve got a girl
who�s going to make half a million dollars this year.
SH:
[whistles] That much, huh?
Hof: Yeah. The
average girl works at the Bunny Ranch about 10 days to two weeks a
month. We don�t make them stay a certain period of time. It�s like
booking a hotel. The only thing we ask you to do is do what you say.
If you say you�re coming in on the 6 th and you�re going to stay
until the 16 th, then do it. It�s always fun, it�s always crazy, and
nobody wants to leave. We had 9,010 girls apply to BunnyRanch.com last year.
SH: Let�s briefly
talk about HBO�s Cathouse.
Hof: It�s HBO�s
highest rated nonfiction show; the ratings are gigantic. We started
our fourth year in February with a new concept. Instead of doing
weekly shows like we�ve done in the past, we�re going to do monthly
shows. They�re going to do one show and air it a zillion times in a
month and then give �em another one; they�re going to dole them out.
I think it�s going to be amazingly successful because people travel,
they do things, they miss shows, and they need to be caught up on
the soap opera. We�re a reality show, but more of a soap opera.
SH: Reality shows are
not real, per se; as in the actions that transpire are not always
spur of the moment and unscripted as viewers are beginning to
realize. So, how much on the show is actually real? Is
anything staged at all?
Hof: No, no. It�s
reality; it�s just what happens here. This is what�s going on. It�s
how we live. Because something�s always happening, we�re always
saying, �Gosh, I wish the film crew were here�; because crazy things
are happening. We set up the cameras. When we first started, it was
five years ago. The concept was Taxicab Confessions but at
the Bunny Ranch, because I liked that show.
The concept was the customer comes in and� Nevada is a
one-party state. So, we can film as long as one party knows you can
film or audio record. So, we�d set it up; the guy would go to the
room; the girl would talk to him about what he wants to do, how much
he wants to spend, why he�s here; all this stuff. Then the girl
would push the button and say, �Madam Suzette, would you come here
please?� like she was going to collect the money, then they�d tell
him. �You know, we�re filming a documentary��because that�s what it
was at the time��and we want you to be a part of it. If you don�t
want to be a part of it, nobody will ever see it and it�ll be
destroyed; if you want to be a part of it, sign a release, and make
yourself a part of the show.� Now it�s turned into more of a show
about the life of me, my girls, how we live, what we do, and the
soap opera that we have in the business.
SH: Much to my
chagrin, I haven�t seen all the episodes. But the ones I did watch,
they seem to emphasize your role in the drama that involves some of
these women�s heartbreak. Do you date the girls at the Bunny
Ranch?
Hof: Oh, yeah; I
don�t date civilians. I wouldn�t even consider dating a girl who�s
not in the business. First of all, she can be a bad lover; second of
all, they can�t handle my life. They can�t handle me being around
girls all the time; they can�t handle me going to a porn event and
having some porn star hanging on me. It�s hard not to date a working
girl that understands.
As for the heartbreak stuff, I dated a girl that was here; she
was married. Then we got together and she was a swinger
that became a porn star and she came from that life. Then we hooked
up; we had threesomes with girls, we had fun, we had a good time.
All of a sudden, all of that changed. And when it changed, it wasn�t
fun for either one of us anymore. Then we split up and that was the
end of it. She moves on, I move on. She knew the ground rules when
we went in. I don�t want to be monogamous. I want to be with a girl
that likes girls. I don�t want to date a girl that doesn�t like
girls. Why set myself up for a problem? I�m gonna be with other
girls; it�s that simple.
I�m not a jealous person. I don�t mind if the girl I�m dating is
here having sex with guys. I�m above all that. I know what we have;
I know the difference between love and sex. And, I understand I�d be
a major hypocrite if I told the girl she couldn�t work. And they
need to understand who I am: this is my business, this is my life.
The deal I will make with them is I won�t party with any other girls
unless they�re involved in it. That�s fair. That�s how the
relationship was. After a period of time, she wanted to change the
rules; she didn�t like that.
SH: What was
the longest relationship you�ve ever had?
Hof: Nine years with
one woman and it was a monogamous relationship [we were married].
This was when I was young. Then I bought the Ranch and I was living
with a girl for five years, and that was a monogamous relationship.
I�m basically a serial monogamist; I want to be with one girl�that�s
what I like. First and foremost, I�m a businessman rather than a
playboy. I�m a great single guy. But do I like going out and picking
up girls and getting home at four in the morning with some drunk
chick and having to do deal with all that and staying up way too
late? No. I want to be in bed at a reasonable time, doing my
business the next day. If I was up until 5 o�clock in the morning
banging some chick last night, I wouldn�t be here this early in the
morning; I was here at 7:45 overseeing some construction and getting
ready for a television show we�re doing.
If I have a girl in my life, it grounds me; it just slows me down
a little bit, which is good. I�ll get a call, like Ron Jeremy called
me. �Dennis, I�m in Puerto Rico. Come over here. You need to be here
with me.� I�m like, �No. I got a date tonight with this girl.�
�Dude, c�mon. Blow her off.� �No, I�m not blowing her off; I like
this chick. I�m seeing her. She works here. And, I promised I�d take
her to this function.� �Oh my god, you�re like in love.� I said,
�No. I�m just respectful.� I�d rather wake up with the same girl
every day than be out banging different chicks all the time.
SH: Do you have any
children?
Hof: I have two
children that I disowned a long time ago.
SH: Why is that?
Hof: They just didn�t
do the right thing; they disrespected a family and it�s goodbye. I
haven�t spoken to them in 15 years and I don�t plan on ever speaking
to them.
SH: Going back to the
business, you bought the Bunny Ranch in 1992 for a million. How did
you come up with the money to make the purchase?
Hof: Real estate
developments. I did timeshare projects.
SH: Why did
you decide to buy the Ranch?
Hof: Opportunity. I
was a small businessman all my life. I had done different
businesses. I had a company that gave lectures throughout the world
on investments in the United States; I owned a chain of gas stations
when I was really young. All it was a business opportunity.
SH: You seem to have
gentlemanly mannerisms that�s pervasive in your speech. Where did
you grow up?
Hof: I grew up in
Phoenix, south Tempe, Ariz.
SH: Lastly, what is
your favorite sex position?
Hof: Cowgirl.
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